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]]> By: nookie http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-492 nookie Mon, 21 May 2007 10:51:49 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-492 Hi! I'm the one who are making all mocks of kbfx and raptor.. As i always say if you don't like it then don't give a shit to use it right. Im currently designing raptor and i design it my way not as anybody else is telling me how to do or any usability team. Why i do this? Because one we want to show kde people that kde can contain some colors and look good and two the usability team ain't always right.. We will always continue to do this menu our way and that's it!! When it comes to raptor none of people will see it until it's done.. Those are just mocks and will remain like that until menu is done and that doesn't mean that menu will look like that.. None of you will ever know until we release it. Bye! /Nookie Hi!

I’m the one who are making all mocks of kbfx and raptor..
As i always say if you don’t like it then don’t give a shit to use it right.

Im currently designing raptor and i design it my way not as anybody else is telling me how to do or any usability team. Why i do this? Because one we want to show kde people that kde can contain some colors and look good and two the usability team ain’t always right..

We will always continue to do this menu our way and that’s it!!
When it comes to raptor none of people will see it until it’s done..
Those are just mocks and will remain like that until menu is done and that doesn’t mean that menu will look like that.. None of you will ever know until we release it.

Bye!
/Nookie

]]> By: Siraj Razick http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-487 Siraj Razick Mon, 21 May 2007 10:18:18 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-487 The screenshot is Krunner.. not really plasma The screenshot is Krunner.. not really plasma

]]> By: link141 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-428 link141 Mon, 14 May 2007 03:11:10 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-428 For those of you that haven't heard, the 1st alpha of KDE 4 is already out! I checked out this page: http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-4.0-alpha1.php , it proves that plasma will make it in time, and that it's being worked on. Just go down to the section where it says "Eyecandy and Plasma" and you'll see a screenshot (although it's still in a really early stage of development, so it's not the prettiest thing in the world). From the looks of it, it appears that it will be composite-enabled, meaning true transparency!! I also downloaded the KDE Four live-cd, and tried it out. It worked pretty darn well for an alpha release, and the Run Command dialog (the first plasmoid) had snapping enabled as well as being able to float above windows. It didn't have any kind of transparency implemented yet (afaik, could be in the composite-branch) but it worked well for a desktop widget. I've also read some articles where the KDE developers announced that plasma would also use animated SVGs and integrate with applications better (among other things). Afaik, almost all the major work under-the-hood on KDE 4 is nearly complete, and they're going to start overhauling the interface soon. I have no fear KDE 4 will be an awesome new experience for the desktop. For those of you that haven’t heard, the 1st alpha of KDE 4 is already out! I checked out this page: http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-4.0-alpha1.php , it proves that plasma will make it in time, and that it’s being worked on. Just go down to the section where it says “Eyecandy and Plasma” and you’ll see a screenshot (although it’s still in a really early stage of development, so it’s not the prettiest thing in the world). From the looks of it, it appears that it will be composite-enabled, meaning true transparency!! I also downloaded the KDE Four live-cd, and tried it out. It worked pretty darn well for an alpha release, and the Run Command dialog (the first plasmoid) had snapping enabled as well as being able to float above windows. It didn’t have any kind of transparency implemented yet (afaik, could be in the composite-branch) but it worked well for a desktop widget. I’ve also read some articles where the KDE developers announced that plasma would also use animated SVGs and integrate with applications better (among other things). Afaik, almost all the major work under-the-hood on KDE 4 is nearly complete, and they’re going to start overhauling the interface soon. I have no fear KDE 4 will be an awesome new experience for the desktop.

]]> By: Frerich Raabe http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-347 Frerich Raabe Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:42:31 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-347 @Johnny & Kelly: I was assuming that mentioning all the pages I could find in three minutes which mention Plasma communicates that I'm aware of people *talking* (sorry, of course I meant 'envisioning') about Plasma. Unfortunately I'm apparently lacking the right gene or something, I don't get any excitement from plans or visions or mockups or anything. My point is: last time I checked, the <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule" rel="nofollow">release schedule</a> was more or less aiming at the May/June are for a feature freeze. Since I'm not seeing Plasma coming anytime soon (which is okay, don't get me wrong), I'm pointing out that there might be a good spot for other people to jump in and simply do *something* nifty. I'm saying that pretty much everybody agrees that Kicker (or at least the menu) is kinda dull - in case Plasma doesn't come around for the dot-zero release but maybe for .1, there's still a need for something new, a vacuum. Of course you'd have to put the email addressesof a gajillion self-proclaimed usability experts in your killfile then in case you ever want to get sleep again, but oh well. :) @Johnny & Kelly: I was assuming that mentioning all the pages I could find in three minutes which mention Plasma communicates that I’m aware of people *talking* (sorry, of course I meant ‘envisioning’) about Plasma. Unfortunately I’m apparently lacking the right gene or something, I don’t get any excitement from plans or visions or mockups or anything.

My point is: last time I checked, the release schedule was more or less aiming at the May/June are for a feature freeze. Since I’m not seeing Plasma coming anytime soon (which is okay, don’t get me wrong), I’m pointing out that there might be a good spot for other people to jump in and simply do *something* nifty. I’m saying that pretty much everybody agrees that Kicker (or at least the menu) is kinda dull - in case Plasma doesn’t come around for the dot-zero release but maybe for .1, there’s still a need for something new, a vacuum.

Of course you’d have to put the email addressesof a gajillion self-proclaimed usability experts in your killfile then in case you ever want to get sleep again, but oh well. :)

]]> By: Kelly Clowers http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-346 Kelly Clowers Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:17:14 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-346 <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aaseigo.blogspot.com+plasma&btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">more plasma</a> more plasma

]]> By: Paul Giannaros http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-337 Paul Giannaros Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:26:45 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-337 "A. Siego has been very open this last year about the state of plasma. I don’t think a project that is being actively coded on, has workable features and a modular scripting engine can quite be called ‘vaporware’." The point, however, is that the one small item that is being flaunted about (krunner) is not the panel/desktop magic that Plasma is meant to be. The modular scripting engine is not Plasma specific at all... "Seriously… Unable to find anything about plasma? Search the planet archives. Sheesh." Have any links? On aseigo's blog I see 4 posts about krunner and 2 about plasma. Hurray. “A. Siego has been very open this last year about the state of plasma. I don’t think a project that is being actively coded on, has workable features and a modular scripting engine can quite be called ‘vaporware’.”

The point, however, is that the one small item that is being flaunted about (krunner) is not the panel/desktop magic that Plasma is meant to be. The modular scripting engine is not Plasma specific at all…

“Seriously… Unable to find anything about plasma? Search the planet archives. Sheesh.”
Have any links? On aseigo’s blog I see 4 posts about krunner and 2 about plasma. Hurray.

]]> By: Paul Giannaros http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-336 Paul Giannaros Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:22:12 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-336 "Plasma - Vapor-ware? Not quite. Look up “krunner” somewhere in aseigo’s blogs." That is one little application (that basically replicates what Kickoff does). It's meant to be proof that Plasma is live and kicking? I don't think so. The intermediate goals that you mention have nothing to do with Plasma at all, so they really can't be cited as a reason why we're not seeing anything _new_. Kross was implemented primarily for KOffice/Kexi. QGraphicsView was already there. True transparency? Qt4 and a compositing manager. Plasmoids are obviously an integral part of it, but they can't exist without whatever it is that is meant to host them, so there's not much point asking for an API... As it stands it just looks like Plasma is set to merge kdesktop and Kicker and make it a little easier to start SuperKaramba applets. It really doesn't appear to be the completely new concept we were hoping for. “Plasma - Vapor-ware? Not quite. Look up “krunner” somewhere in aseigo’s blogs.”
That is one little application (that basically replicates what Kickoff does). It’s meant to be proof that Plasma is live and kicking? I don’t think so.

The intermediate goals that you mention have nothing to do with Plasma at all, so they really can’t be cited as a reason why we’re not seeing anything _new_. Kross was implemented primarily for KOffice/Kexi. QGraphicsView was already there. True transparency? Qt4 and a compositing manager.
Plasmoids are obviously an integral part of it, but they can’t exist without whatever it is that is meant to host them, so there’s not much point asking for an API… As it stands it just looks like Plasma is set to merge kdesktop and Kicker and make it a little easier to start SuperKaramba applets. It really doesn’t appear to be the completely new concept we were hoping for.

]]> By: Johnny http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-334 Johnny Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:18:20 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-334 Maybe, just maybe, you should do some - or just a little bit - of research before coming out and saying that a 'project' is dead. A. Siego has been very open this last year about the state of plasma. I don't think a project that is being actively coded on, has workable features and a modular scripting engine can quite be called 'vaporware'. Seriously... Unable to find anything about plasma? Search the planet archives. Sheesh. Maybe, just maybe, you should do some - or just a little bit - of research before coming out and saying that a ‘project’ is dead. A. Siego has been very open this last year about the state of plasma. I don’t think a project that is being actively coded on, has workable features and a modular scripting engine can quite be called ‘vaporware’.

Seriously… Unable to find anything about plasma? Search the planet archives. Sheesh.

]]> By: kollum http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-325 kollum Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:55:58 +0000 http://blog.froglogic.com/2007/04/kdes-panel-vacuum/#comment-325 Hello there. As I understand, plasma is a whole lot of things, and many of them are already ok/testing. But please, do not make kickoff the kde menu unless I'm able to : put tabs content in the pannel instead of tabs (many menus). I'm fed up whith going left, right, left again, up, right and finaly click, where I would be able to go not so left, up, right, click) have a FAST browsing clicking in menus. No slow sliding blocs of entries. because, whel, the time I whait for it to slide, I'm waiting, and the menu is used far to often to lose my time looking at a sliding efect. I personaly tested old fashion Kmenu, Kickoff and KBFX, and the more usable is still the old KDE3 default one (as my own feelings). Hello there.
As I understand, plasma is a whole lot of things, and many of them are already ok/testing.

But please, do not make kickoff the kde menu unless I’m able to :
put tabs content in the pannel instead of tabs (many menus). I’m fed up whith going left, right, left again, up, right and finaly click, where I would be able to go not so left, up, right, click)
have a FAST browsing clicking in menus. No slow sliding blocs of entries. because, whel, the time I whait for it to slide, I’m waiting, and the menu is used far to often to lose my time looking at a sliding efect.

I personaly tested old fashion Kmenu, Kickoff and KBFX, and the more usable is still the old KDE3 default one (as my own feelings).

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